In this conversation, Clint Davis and Amanda Cruse discuss equine therapy and the importance of being present and authentic in relationships. They explore the challenges of owning and caring for horses, as well as the unique dynamics of working with horses in therapy. They also delve into the concept of congruence and the tension between being consistent and evolving as individuals. The conversation touches on themes of self-worth, vulnerability, and the need for healthy boundaries. They discuss the impact of technology and media on our lives and the importance of curating our experiences to align with our values. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of recognizing our worth and finding our identity in God rather than external factors. In this conversation, Clint and Amanda discuss the importance of connecting with our bodies and the role of equine therapy in helping us do so. They emphasize that the physical is good and that God designed us to function with our thoughts, feelings, and body sensations. They highlight the need to move beyond information and into transformation, as well as the importance of being present in the moment and paying attention to what is happening in our bodies. They also explore the concept of hypocrisy and the need for heart change in our relationship with God and others.