In this podcast, we explore with PJ and Ulrica, a couple who have been in leadership for over 30 years. We discussed qualities leaders need to last the long haul, including prioritising calling over comfort, finding their rhythm, and not comparing themselves to others.
PJ and Ulrica also share around their hobbies, love for adventure, and the importance of a good marriage. They emphasised the need to have fun and not take life too seriously while remaining focused on their calling to serve in ministry.
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