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“We want to go upstream to look for a solution, before you get to downstream sick care.” 

The health of our nation is at a crisis point, yet 80% of what determines our health is ignored by the $4.9 trillion "sick care" system.

In this powerful episode, we sit down with Dr. Gloria Winters, Chief Health Officer of the YMCA of the USA, to dissect the critical gap between preventative wellness and clinical medicine. With over 25 years as a physician and orthopedic physical therapist, Dr. Winters brings rare insight from the front lines of patient care to the decision-making tables in Washington, D.C. (including a recent conversation with the administrator of CMS).

Dr. Winters shares her incredible journey from treating patients full-time to championing whole-person health across 2,600 communities nationwide. She uses a powerful parable—the "Third Friend"—to redefine the role of the wellness industry as the essential force that goes upstream to prevent problems before they start.