Summary
In this episode of Highly Adaptive, Jeff Pelliccio and Erin MacKenzie are joined by Travis McGrew at Tracker, to break down a leadership reality most people experience but rarely name: clarity often comes after responsibility—not before it.
Travis reframes resilience as something far more practical than “toughness.” It’s the ability to decide without certainty, stay curious instead of performative, and communicate truth early—before ambiguity turns into fear and teams start protecting themselves instead of aligning. The conversation moves from individual leadership habits (self-talk, internal benchmarks, discomfort patterns) to organizational consequences (trust, transparency, misalignment), giving leaders a clean framework for navigating uncertainty without hardening.
Key Takeaways
Uncertainty isn’t incompetence — real leadership shows up as curiosity, not fake certainty.
Clarity can be created through action — waiting to “feel ready” often means waiting too long.
Truth prevents fear — avoiding reality creates ambiguity, and ambiguity fuels misalignment.
Manage individuals, not “people” — personal realities always show up at work.
Compete with yourself — internal benchmarks are more honest and sustainable.
Protect your self-talk — self-doubt compounds faster than you think.
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