What does strength look like when it includes softness, care, and tears? In this episode of It’s Both, host Nikki P sits down with Devon Neisen, a stay-at-home dad, for authentic conversations about modern masculinity, fatherhood, and the emotional complexity of raising kids while raising yourself.
Through honest storytelling, Nikki and Devon explore both/and thinking—provider and nurturer, confident and unsure—and how to hold multiple truths in daily family life. Devon shares the mental load of caregiving, the disconnect between traditional masculinity and expression, and practices that build emotional resilience: naming feelings, setting gentle boundaries, and doing inner-child healing to show up with presence.
If you’re navigating parenting in the gray, questioning old scripts, or seeking language for the messy middle of identity and care, this episode offers validation, tools, and companionship for navigating life’s gray areas—without toxic positivity. Because real strength includes tenderness.
Because life isn’t either/or—it’s both.
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