When a relationship ends—even if it wasn’t toxic—how do you navigate transitions without drowning in relief and grief at the same time?
Divorce isn’t just paperwork—it’s identity, community, and the quiet rituals of starting over. In this episode, Nikki P sits down with sisters Olivia Howell and Genevieve “Jenny” Dreizen, co-founders of Fresh Starts (the world’s first divorce registry and support network), to talk about the both/and of leaving: freedom and sadness, clarity and doubt, endings and beginnings.
You’ll hear candid stories about calling it when a relationship is “not bad, just not right,” the stigma that still surrounds divorce, and why practical scaffolding—guides, scripts, vetted experts, and community—makes healing less lonely. We unpack co-parenting realities, default-parent dynamics, and the moment you realize your life can be beautiful again. Expect honest conversation, gentle humor, and usable tools to build self-trust, boundaries, and momentum—without toxic positivity.
If you’re considering divorce, in the thick of it, or rebuilding after a breakup, this is your companion for the messy middle—language for your feelings, steps for your next move, and hope you can hold.
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- Learn more at freshstartsregistry.com & on Instagram: @freshstartsregistry
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