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Those two words from EM Forster's novel Howards End could be a nice summation of the philosophy and work of my guest on this podcast!

Dr Sue Johnson is an internationally acclaimed clinical psychologist and author and the founder of a counselling approach called Emotionally Focused Therapy. You might be familiar with the title of her best selling book for couples; Hold Me Tight.  It's sold over a million copies around the world.

In our conversation Sue talks about how EFT works, how she fell into studying psychology and about what drives her to want to help.