Listen to the Fear episode before this one!
This is the full version (more or less) of our discussion with Gary Noesner, former FBI hostage negotiator. Enjoy!
www.garynoesner.com
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003EY7JE4/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0