Podcasting pioneer Elsie Escobar joins Martin Quibell to discuss the medium's transformation over two decades, from intimate community to corporate industry. Learn about the early days of podcasting, the challenges that creators face today, and why human connection still matters most.
What You'll Learn
The Early Days of Podcasting (00:01-08:51)
● How a fifth-generation iPod led Elsie to discover podcasts
● Finding Podcast 411 and becoming part of podcasting's first community
● Why early podcasting was dialogue-driven and deeply interactive
● The power of hearing your name mentioned on a show for the first time
From Hollywood to Podcasting Freedom (08:51-14:17)
● Escaping the soul-crushing pigeonholing of the acting industry
● How podcasting offered creative freedom without visual judgment
● The transformative power of getting behind a microphone
● Why voice-only media can be deeply empowering
Community vs Industry: The Great Shift (14:17-22:22)
● How podcasting evolved from "we" culture to hierarchical media
● Why early podcasters actively engaged with every listener
● The loss of dialogue between hosts and audiences
● When podcasting stopped being about community and became about assets
The Video Podcast Debate (22:22-29:42)
● Concerns about podcasting becoming "another form of television"
● The danger of losing podcasting's punk rock spirit
● Why following corporate rules kills innovation
● How to preserve the freedom that made podcasting special
She Podcasts: Amplifying Women's Voices (29:42-34:35)
● Creating a counterbalance to male-dominated podcasting shows
● The chemistry between Elsie and co-host Jess
● How the show evolved into authentic life conversations
● The power of women taking center stage
The Modern Podcasting Burden (34:35-48:39)
● Why creating podcasts has become a full-time marketing job
● From simple "mic to RSS" to video clips, transcripts, and social strategy
● How overwhelming requirements stop creators from creating
● Finding workflows that prioritize voice over visibility
AI in Podcasting: Tool or Replacement? (48:39-54:51)
● Using AI for transcription while maintaining human curation
● Why AI can't capture your unique message and positioning
● The importance of writing your own show notes and chapter marks
● Balancing efficiency with authentic care for your audience
Netflix, Spotify & Distribution Deals (54:51-1:08:22)
● Why the Netflix "podcasting" deal isn't really about podcasts
● Understanding old-school media distribution in new platforms
● How one network built a multi-platform media empire
● The difference between podcast networks and podcast community
What Makes a Good Podcast? (1:08:22-1:14:00)
● Podcasts as solutions to listener needs
● Why "good" depends entirely on context and timing
● The soup vs ice cream analogy for podcast consumption
● Why small, engaged audiences matter more than massive numbers
The Future: Slow, Human, and Sustainable (1:14:00-end)
● Banking on slow, thoughtful content in a fast-moving world
● Why human skills will become more valuable as AI advances
● Building expansive, sustainable, and aligned creative work
● The importance of staying grounded as technology accelerates
Key Quotes
"The mere act of getting behind the microphone, it just does a lot to you personally, in a good way. It's your teacher."
"I chose to no longer name [certain big podcasters] because we all need somebody else's name to be coming out of our mouths."
"Podcasting used to be such a lift. Now it feels like it's a full-time job."
"A good podcast provides the solution that I'm looking for at the time. Has nothing to do with quality, topic, format."
About Elsie Escobar -
Elsie Escobar is a podcasting veteran who's been part of the medium since its earliest days. Known for her work at Libsyn and as co-host of The Feed and She Podcasts, Elsie has been a guiding voice for podcasters worldwide. She's an advocate for authentic, human-first content creation and community building.
