My guest this episode is award winning journalist, broadcaster, brand consultant and author, Anita Bhagwandas.
I've been reading her beauty columns for years and have just finished her new book 'Ugly - Giving Us Back Out Beauty Standards'.
Anita and I talk about the lasting impact of being called 'ugly', toxic beauty trends and where they came from, beauty anxiety, social media and it's effects on self-esteem, and how we really feel about ageing and looking older.
