What does a meaningful conversation with a neurodivergent child actually look like? Mark chats with inspirational autism advocate Kieran Rose to unpack language and communication, and offer some fascinating insights into the different communication styles between neurodivergents and neurotypicals.
They discuss situational mutism, hyperverbalism, small talk and monotropism to shine a light on why conversations don’t always sound like we expect.
Kieran shares incredible insight from both personal and professional perspectives to explain how traditional communication expectations can alienate autistic, PDA and ADHD children, and how to create connection through listening, adaptation and patience.
A standout episode for any parent who’s ever worried they’re not ‘getting through’ to their child - and a brilliant reminder that connection comes in many forms.
LINKS TO STUFF WE MENTION IN THIS EPISODE:
Neurodive Podcast - https://soundcloud.com/neurodivepod/kieranrose
Kieran's website - https://theautisticadvocate.com/
Maori word for autism - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-40493398
KIERAN'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FURTHER READING:
A short (and very inexhaustive) list of Autistic advocates and allies no longer with us, who have made a phenomenally constructive difference to the narratives around Autistic and Neurodivergent people, but who never get the recognition of lauded non-Autistic people:
Jim Sinclair
Don't mourn for us - Jim Sinclair wrote one of the pivotal texts in the reframing of Autistic experience (opens as a PDF):
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://philosophy.ucsc.edu/SinclairDontMournForUs.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwik86zq-smIAxWCWUEAHQ2NH5UQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3WfDEINrbr2olYTgiO6ZKl
A book about Jim:
https://amzn.eu/d/3qalj4l
Donna Williams
Conceptualised a model of advocacy based on an inside-out approach - that observation based on your own or a normative experience can only take you so far.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Williams
She produced a massive number of books:
https://uk.jkp.com/collections/author-donna-williams-pid-199891
Mel Baggs:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Baggs
An old (quality is indicative of its age, so please bear with it) video on two parts that off a deep challenge to normative assumptions around communication and experience:
https://youtu.be/JnylM1hI2jc?si=IaPhwkiYn1vRmmlp
Dinah Murray
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinah_Murray
Co-creator of the theory of monotropism:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1362361305051398
A basic introduction:
https://youtu.be/qUFDAevkd3E?si=SMiSDEoiNcDtV2eg
Steve Silberman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Silberman
The author of Neurotribes, a game changing book that brought a model of different, not less into the mainstream:
https://amzn.eu/d/clw0AD8
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