Sleep shouldn’t feel this hard — and yet, for so many of us, it does.
In this episode, Ali Stricklin and Jen Dryden Hess dives into the very real, very relatable struggle of getting quality rest. From years of poor sleep habits to experimenting with every wellness trend imaginable, Je & Alii share what they’ve learned about sleep hygiene, lifestyle choices, and the small changes that actually make a difference.
The conversation explores how everyday factors like alcohol, caffeine, stress, screen time, and inconsistent routines quietly sabotage our sleep quality — even when we think we’re “doing everything right.” Jen also opens up about how technology and sleep-tracking devices can be both helpful and misleading, and why awareness matters more than perfection.
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