Description

Sarah reports from the Festival of Hidden REF held in Birmingham on 8 October 2025. This episode features contributions from organisers, speakers and participants including

• Hidden REF committee members Simon Hettrick and James Baker sharing the story behind the event
• Previous Hidden REF competition winners Laura Henderson and Lorraine van Blerk highlighting hidden roles in research
• Speaker Elisa Collado and participants Emily Ennis, Jo Williams and Alix Brodie-Wray and Nick Sheppard sharing their takeaways and what still might be missing from the conversation

Find out more

• Read the full show notes and transcript on the podcast website
• Connect with guests Simon Hettrick, James Baker, Laura Henderson, Lorraine van Blerk, Elisa Collado, Emily Ennis, Jo Williams and Alix Brodie-Wray or Nick Sheppard
• Find out more about Hidden REF on their website or follow them on LinkedIn. You can find the list of hidden roles that Simon mentions here.
• Listen to the What the REF?! podcast

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