In the latest episode of the Rosenfeld Review, Lou sits down with old friend Peter van Dijck, author of Information Architecture for Designers: Structuring Websites for Business Success, one of the first books ever written on Information Architecture. Peter is now a partner of Simply Put, a Colombian company that builds and designs useful AI Agents—including the soon-to-launch Rosenbot!
Peter offers insight into the world of AI. Having been one of the first to speak about IA, it is fascinating to hear what he now has to say about AI. Join Lou and Peter as they take you through the journey where language itself is transforming from design to technology.
[0:15] - Lou’s introduction of Peter Van Dijck
[3:00] - AI on a basic level
[4:59] - Generative AI’s language capabilities
[18:08] - How we interact with metadata and writing as a technology
[20:00] - How real-use cases make technology more exciting and instantaneous
[22:19] - Information about the new Designing With AI Conference
[23:33] - Some of the jargon around AI and IA
[24:16] - Introduction to Lou’s Chat Bot, the Rosen Bot
[24:39] - The importance of training bots on highly curated information
[28:34] - The tricky balance of curated and less polished content
[30:26] - The human side of things
[31:55] - Different interaction models
[37:58] - The biggest surprise working in the industry
[38:30] - A Gift For You
Peter Van Dijck Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petervandijck/
Peter’s Company, Simply Put: https://www.getsimplyput.ai/
Information Architecture for Designers: Structuring Websites for Business Success https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YDJPPCM
The My Climate Journey Podcast: https://www.mcjcollective.com/media/podcast
Quotes from today’s episode:
"When you say it’s just predicting stuff, I think you’re underselling the real capability, because it is generating meaningful, meaningful content.”
“You know how we used to say writing is design? … well now we have writing as a technology.”
“We can tell the thing, the machine, what we want. Before, the machine gave us options. It gave us an interface to interact with, gave us stuff to touch and buttons to click and a search box to enter something in, et cetera. Now we can ask it.”
“ChatGPT came out, my kids’ school was on that within weeks… the real use cases come out and… they do not want to give up. Like, they will say things like, ‘yeah, my best buddy ChatGPT.’ It feels like when Google came out, but even better to something we saw.”
“I was a little surprised by this. It started to pull out a lot more book content than it would pull out sessions in which people are discussing stuff. And we realized that the reason was, book content is already extremely highly edited. So every sentence in a book, every paragraph in a book, carries a ton of semantic meaning.”
“We don’t know how a teacher wants to use ChatGPT until we have teachers using ChatGPT, and until they start getting a sense of the capabilities and start using it and start learning it.”
“Humans should just say what they want and the system should be good enough, smart enough… to give you what you want.”
“We are conversational beings and the way we are reproducing that now with this new language technology that we have, like language as a technology, is super early steps, and there’s a lot to learn.”
