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In this episode of The Pivot Playbook, Salene sits down with Barry Gogel, managing member of the Baltimore/Towson office of a Maryland-based business law firm with major-case reach — and a practice built on complex business litigation, government contracts, and high-stakes disputes that demand both strategy and integrity.

Barry shares the unexpected path from math major and school teacher to commercial litigator, and the pivotal moment that brought him back to education: coaching and building a negotiations and ADR pipeline at the University of Maryland Law School. Along the way, he reflects on service as “medicine,” why clients often call counsel too late, and what heart-centered leadership looks like in a profession built on conflict.

Also: Orioles history, Camden Yards memories, a legendary “last person on the field” story — and the surprising truth that Barry once had the most fun you can have fully dressed… as a professional mascot.