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In this episode, I spoke with Alain Bertaud, urban economist and author of Order Without Design, whose career spans more than half a century planning cities across the globe, from communist systems to market economies. The incredible stories he shares illustrate why we are forced to consume more land and space, where the real hidden costs lie, and why common sense so often disappears in housing policy.

Note: About 20 minutes into the recording, we experienced a technical issue that caused some audio inconsistencies. Our apologies, and thank you for sticking with us.