What happens when following your calling means losing your community? In this raw and
revealing conversation, married Anglican priests Sue Ann Warren and Jeff Ward open up about
the price they paid for answering God's call, leaving the Roman Catholic Church, facing friends
who thought they were going to hell, and coming home to "prayer gifts" urging them to "snap out
of it."
Twenty-five years later, they're still unpacking what it means to choose faith over belonging, and
why so many Christians have traded Jesus' actual teachings for something far more dangerous.
Provocative Questions Raised
What does it cost to answer a calling that your community can't accept?
Can you truly access Jesus in any denomination, or do some structures create more
barriers than pathways?
When did Christians start weaponizing scripture instead of following Jesus' example?
Is physical presence becoming a radical act of resistance in our digital age?
Why do we clutch the Ten Commandments while ignoring the Beatitudes?
What would Jesus actually do about immigration, guns, and who we lock up?
Why This Episode Matters
At a time when Christian nationalism is rising, when faith is being weaponized for political gain,
and when the loudest voices claiming Jesus seem furthest from his actual teachings, Sue Ann and
Jeff offer something rare: a faith that cost them something real.
They didn't just change denominations. They lost friends who thought they were going to hell.
They received anonymous "pray for you" packages. They had to explain to their teenagers why
following God meant financial uncertainty.
And twenty-five years later, they're still asking the hard questions about what Jesus actually
taught versus what modern Christianity has become.
This isn't a gentle, comfortable religion. This is faith with teeth.
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Content Warning: This episode discusses religious trauma, loss of community, grief, and
contemporary politics through a Christian lens.
