In this episode of the Surge Network podcast, Aaron Dailey sits down with longtime pastor and leader Caleb Campbell to talk candidly about friendship, faith, and the fractures many churches and leaders have experienced in recent years. Caleb shares his personal journey through pastoral burnout, political polarization, and the loss of community, including how those experiences led him to write about engaging Christian nationalism as a mission field rather than an enemy.
Together, they explore why relationships between pastors matter, especially in seasons of conflict, fear, and division. The conversation is honest, reflective, and grounded in the hope that healing and unity are still possible when leaders choose to stay connected.
