In this conversation, Jessica Lindberg and Sarah Freiesleben explore the complexities of systemic change, emphasizing the importance of healthy conflict within teams, the challenges of navigating entrenched systems, and the need for curiosity and nuance in discussions. They discuss the moral implications of our current societal issues and the need for self-leadership and personal values to drive change. The conversation highlights the importance of seeing individuals as more than just their viewpoints and the collective responsibility we share in addressing systemic problems.
Sarah and Jessica explore narratives in political and organizational contexts, the challenges of speaking up within organizations, and the importance of embracing nuance and diverse perspectives. They discuss the characteristics of effective leaders, the role of courage in decision-making, and how sensitivity can be a strength in leadership. The conversation emphasizes the need for curiosity, respectful disagreement, and the value of understanding oneself and others in fostering a positive organizational culture.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Systemic Change
03:03 The Role of Healthy Conflict in Teams
05:51 Navigating Change in Complex Systems
09:05 Incentives and Resistance to Change
11:47 Controlling What You Can Control
14:55 The Importance of Curiosity and Nuance
17:53 The Moral Issue of Our Time
21:06 Embracing Paradox and Complexity
23:58 Influencing Change at a Local Level
26:57 The Meta-Crisis and Collective Responsibility
30:06 Self-Leadership and Personal Values
33:07 Seeing People as Individuals
38:08 The Power of Narratives in Politics and Work
41:28 The Dilemma of Speaking Up in Organizations
43:01 Embracing Nuance and Diverse Perspectives
45:31 Conflict Resolution and Finding Common Ground
50:18 Characteristics of Effective Leaders
55:03 Courage in Leadership and Decision-Making
01:02:40 The Role of Sensitivity and Embodiment in Leadership
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