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Episode 40—cheers to the Back 40! To celebrate our 40th episode, we took the show on the road to Back 40 Meadery in North Spokane. The theme fits: forty episodes strong, and we’re reflecting on the little wins that got us here.

We open with Max’s pickleball insight—big wins vs. little wins—and Jamie connects it to real-life communication: sometimes the “win” isn’t proving you’re right, it’s making the experience better for everyone.

Then, on location at Back 40 Meadery, owner Luke Wetzler shares how a late-night hobby became a small-batch business. Luke walks us through must (the fermentable base), melomels (fruit meads), and why his “raw” meads are vegan, gluten-free, and sulfur-free—clean, bright, and fruit-forward. We dip into mead’s ancient history (ambrosia, anyone?), the beer–mead hybrid braggot, and the scrappy ingenuity of launching a tasting room.


Learn More:
Ali & Callie Artcast: https://betterpickleball.com/podcast/

Back 40 Meadery: https://instagram.com/back40meadery

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