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It’s been two years since Kate left the LDS Church—and what better way to mark the occasion than with a deep dive into the infamous document that helped blow her shelf to smithereens? In this episode, Kate and Erika unpack the CES Letter: what it is, how it landed, and why it continues to shake testimonies and stir up existential crises across Mormonism.

Expect laughter, tears, a little righteous rage, and a whole lot of “Ohhh, that’s why that never made sense!” Whether you’ve read the CES Letter cover to cover or you’re just Mormon-curious, this episode is your invitation to question boldly and heal loudly.