今天我们邀请到了甘露寺梅梅，跟我们分享她对于学术生活和公共传播的看法。梅梅目前在瑞士读博，因为她近期回国调研，我们得以在深圳叙旧。我跟梅梅是5年前在香港认识的，当时我们读同一个硕士项目，是同班同学。当时，我对梅梅的印象是，一位温文尔雅的都市知识女性。但是由于口罩原因，我们只有三个月左右的线下缘分。说起来，我跟梅梅有不少相似的地方，我们年纪相仿，青春时代在同一个城市，也就是广州度过，我们在日本留学过，而且还都是早稻田大学。但我们也有很多不同，用最直观的年轻人划分群组方式MBTI来看的话，我是INFP调解者，她是ISFJ守卫者。我们对于学术生活和公共传播的态度以及行事风格上，会有什么样独特的心得体会呢？
本期嘉宾：
@甘露寺梅梅（瑞士读博ing
在日本早稻田大学的政治经济专业就读本科，之后在港科大读了两个硕士，一个msc和一个mphil，专业都不一样。毕业后之后去了瑞士读经济地理的岗位制博士。在苏黎世大学一个国际化的团队完成学术项目。在小红书至今积累了50w阅读和6000+followers。
@Kimie
中山大学日语系本科，香港科技大学全球中国研究硕士，香港中文大学日本研究人类学方向博士在读。研究方向为东亚地区的数字社会文化。在田野中开始反思学术异化、失败、软弱。关注跨文化交流和公共对话，发表文章在👸号：Kimie的田野日志。
01:43 公众传播的轨迹：本科探索知乎，博士初期写小红书，分享留学经历
03:13 对比不同平台：小红书的新手友好，流量忽高忽低，鼓励继续创作；公众号影响力有限；知乎关注度不高；尝试播客中
04:46 小红书的创作变化和未来期待：从发泄情绪，到生活记录；从文字到视频；真正想做的是分享知识和有意义的思想
05:48 青年研究者参与流量经济的竞争：更多地在公众领域发声
06:25 接受高等教育的自己，分享所学很有意义。在劣币驱逐良币的数字经济下，我们有责任提供更优质的内容。
07:37 在学术中丧失意义感，转而去做小红书。学术的回馈周期很长，会有虚无感。自媒体的反馈有及时性。
08:47 漫长的喜欢学术，但还是会有倦怠
10:07 学术研究和论文写作中棘手枯燥的部分
13:30 单打独斗和与导师合作
15:45 瑞士岗位制博士的团队协作和目标导向
17:37 六月份回国后的学术研究状态
18:40 瑞士每周开例会，TA助教需要自己教课，一学期讲四节自己不熟悉的课
20:05 田野中做访谈的挑战以及温馨小贴士
23:24 如何快速与受访者建立信任：信息透明，价值互换
24:04 田野中遇到具体的人是男性还是女性呢？你的具体感受是什么？
25:18 面对地位高的男性：不平等的关系，没有事先做好功课，身体不适，没有把握住机会
30:30 我们可能会被他的气场所震慑，但不要自责，可以广撒网，错过了他还有其他人
31:35 男性接受采访的比例更高，更愿意发表自己的观点
Five Years, Four Majors: A Swiss PhD Student’s Public Exploration and Interdisciplinary Research
Today, we are joined by Mei Mei, who will share her insights on academic life and public communication. Mei Mei is currently pursuing her PhD in Switzerland, and since she recently returned to China for research, we were able to catch up in Shenzhen. Mei Mei and I first met five years ago in Hong Kong when we were both enrolled in the same master's program and were classmates.
There are quite a few similarities between us: we are around the same age, spent our youth in the same city—Guangzhou, both studied abroad in Japan, and both attended Waseda University. However, we also have many differences. If we were to use the popular MBTI personality test that young people use to group themselves, I am an INFP mediator, while she is an ISFJ defender. What unique insights might we have regarding academic life and public communication based on our differing attitudes and approaches?
Guest for this episode:
@Mei Mei (currently pursuing a PhD in Switzerland)
01:43 Trajectory of public communication: exploring Zhihu during her undergrad, starting on Xiaohongshu early in her PhD, and sharing her study abroad experiences
03:13 Comparing different platforms: Xiaohongshu is beginner-friendly, traffic is unpredictable but encourages continued creation; public accounts have limited influence; low attention on Zhihu; currently experimenting with podcasts
04:46 Changes in Xiaohongshu content creation and future expectations: from venting emotions to documenting life; from text to video; what she truly wants to do is share knowledge and meaningful ideas
05:48 Young researchers competing in the attention economy: more involvement in the public sphere
06:25 With the higher education she has received, sharing what she has learned feels significant. In the digital economy, where inferior content often drives out quality content, we have a responsibility to provide better content.
07:37 Losing a sense of meaning in academia and turning to Xiaohongshu. The feedback cycle in academia is long, creating a sense of futility. Social media provides immediate feedback.
08:47 Loving academia over the long term but still experiencing burnout
10:07 Tedious and challenging aspects of academic research and paper writing
13:30 Working solo vs. collaborating with supervisors
15:45 Team collaboration and goal-oriented work in Swiss PhD programs
17:37 Her academic research status after returning to China in June
18:40 Weekly meetings in Switzerland, where TAs need to teach courses and deliver four sessions per semester, often on unfamiliar subjects
20:05 Challenges of conducting interviews during fieldwork and some warm tips
23:24 How to quickly build trust with interviewees: transparency and value exchange
24:04 Were your interviewees mostly men or women? What were your specific feelings?
25:18 Dealing with high-status men: unequal relationships, lack of preparation, feeling physically unwell, and missing opportunities
30:30 We might be intimidated by their aura, but don’t blame yourself. Cast a wide net—if you miss one, there are always others
31:35 A higher proportion of men accept interviews and are more willing to express their views
