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Ministries have often been challenged with the question, should we have a more structured program or toss the structure and focus solely on God's presence? In this episode, we discuss how ministry leaders can balance pursuing God’s presence with building effective church programs. We discuss why leaders often feel torn between the two, how to avoid over-programming, and ways to reframe programs as tools for discipleship rather than just events. We’ll also look at emerging leadership trends in the next generation, what young people are really seeking in a church, and practical advice for staying spiritually grounded while stewarding systems and strategies.

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