Comedian Irene Tu co-hosts comedy shows Hysteria, Man Haters, and the Mission Positions around the Bay Area. She was recently named one of KQED's Women to Watch.
TRANSCRIPT
Speaker 1:Method to the madness is next. You're listening to method to the madness, a weekly public affairs show on k a l x Berkeley Celebrating Bay area innovators today, UC Berkeley student, and a sterling. We'll interview comedian Irene to about her recent work.
Speaker 2:[inaudible]
Speaker 3:[00:00:30] so I got this haircut recently. Anna used to have a really long hair and people would come up to me a lot and asked me if I was gran, which I am not. I'm Chinese. And right after it got this haircut, [00:01:00] my mom was like, oh, you look Japanese. Really? I was going for straight and if we didn't get that last joke or how I'm dressed, I'm very stylish. [inaudible] stylish, I mean gay.
Speaker 4:Welcome to [00:01:30] the show, Irene too. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Uh, so you live in the East Bay now, but you're originally from Chicago, right? Right. Or nearish, right. And suburbs. So it depends on who you ask for. Sure. Why did you move out here? Um, I actually went to school in Berkeley, uh, here at UC Berkeley. Uh, so that's pretty much the only reason I moved. And when I was a girl, I was like, I wanted, uh, I want to move to California. So this was like my best way to leave Chicago. Yeah. And [00:02:00] what'd you study? I majored in Asian American Studies. So in this building then rev five floors up in Barrows, embarrass hall. Fantastic. So it's Kinda, it's a little bit of a homecoming growing a little, I didn't know Calex was in the basement. I know. We're always, I think we like to like pride ourselves on like, oh, we have a world-class operation, but just stepped into our basement.
Speaker 4:But a little creepy, eh, sorry. It's cozy is how I like to think my window. Listen, cozy. What differentiates the bay area comedy scene from [00:02:30] other cities? I would say, well, I started in Chicago and then I moved here. So I did a little bit of comedy there and then I moved here. And, uh, in every comedy scene there's like some, you know, really great comics who've been doing it a long time. And then there's like newer Comedians, I think here, um, people move faster, um, since la is so close, um, like when they get good or they feel like they're good at comedy, they'll move to la right away. And in other scenes, like in Chicago, people stay longer just [00:03:00] because it's so much of a move to go to like New York or to La. Um, so in that regards, I think we have a lot of newer comics or the turnover's higher here.
Speaker 4:Um, and definitely more diversity here. A lot of the comics in Chicago are, uh, White, probably 95%. Uh, and here, you know, I'm here, uh, and a bunch of other comics that are, you know, different I guess quote unquote. So to see what you imagine your typical [00:03:30] comedian to be a little less Louie, I know that like Dave Chappelle once set, you know, he did a special here and he kind of said that the audience was savvy or do you notice like a difference in audience? I don't know if we want to self aggrandized a little bit, but, um, I love doing shows here. I'll do, I do a bunch of shows at Oakland and in San Francisco and I feel like, um, I can say whatever I want and there'll be on board for the most part, although sometimes people argue that, um, some of the audiences are like to PC.
Speaker 4:Um, like if you [00:04:00] talk about certain topics and you don't do it in a extremely funny way, it might, they might be turned off by it. Um, but for me, I feel like I get to explore whatever topics I want and I'll know if it's good or not based on the reaction. Um, can you give me an example? I've been trying to do jokes about like Anorexia, you know, which is kinda not often talked about. And I feel like if it's funny enough, they'll laugh and if it's not funny enough, they're [00:04:30] just like, nope, I don't want to talk about it. You know, we're like Hitler, it's all we, it always comes down to him. It's like a, is that a good Hitler joke or is that a bad Hitler joke? Qualities of Hitler. Yeah, exactly. Okay, that's good to know. I'll keep that in the, the Noggin.
Speaker 4:What made you realize that you wanted to be a comedian? I'm, I tell this in every interview because it's true and I'm hoping it'll get back to her. I love LNG generous. Um, so when I was in high school, I was like, I want to be just like her. And [00:05:00] I looked up on Wikipedia what she did to become famous, it like and beloved by everyone in America. And it turns out she started by doing stand up. So then I was like, oh, I'll do stand up. And I, you know, I liked being able to say whatever I wanted. Like I was like an only child and I don't like to talk to people a lot. I'm pretty introverted, so stand up is my way of like expressing my opinion without actually having a two way conversation with a stranger. Um, so yeah, I just started doing standup and I, you know, [00:05:30] I like to be goofy and that was like my best outlet of expressing myself.
Speaker 4:So just started doing more and more stand up and at some point and like I never really wanted to be a comedian. That wasn't like my dream, but at some point I was just like, oh, well I guess I'm doing it so much. And I like it. I guess we'll just do comedy. Um, when I was prepping for this interview, Ellen Degeneres came up enough in the stuff that I was looking up that it's my, uh, my next question. Yeah, no, I, I will literally name drop her every single time until I, her and then even that, I'll probably still do it. So have you ever [00:06:00] moved to la? That's just, that's the first thing. I will probably just be outside her house every day. Don't tell her that. Yeah. Just keep that. I don't know where she lives, but I'm sure it's not that hard to find that.
Speaker 4:And uh, any special quality that you like about like her comedy? She is so, um, likable. Just like every single person I've ever met likes Ellen degenerate. And if you don't, I think you're not a human being. Um, yeah, it's just like a, like when she came out, [00:06:30] um, everyone kinda was like, oh, she's gay. And like they weren't on board for that. But like now she's made such a resurgence that everyone loves her. And I just think that's amazing. And that was always surprising cause I grew up with like fourth iteration, Ellen Degeneres. And then if I go, which one was that? The talk show Ellen Talk Show Ellen. Right. And so I was just like, I was always like, it took me a while to figure out that she had been famous for like 20 years at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was like, stand up Ellen and then sit calm.
Speaker 4:Ellen. And then the Ellen that disappeared for like three or four years [00:07:00] because people were like, oh, gay people. And then she's like, talk show famous salad. Yeah. Do you have like a fave joke of mine or if someone else's, Oh, let's start with yours. Um, it kind of depends. I think a, I get sick of my jokes after awhile, so whatever is my newest joke is usually my favorite. Um, I'm not gonna tell it on the radio cause I don't think that's gonna land. Great. Uh, and it'll just be me talking [00:07:30] and then like silence, uh, we can add laugh tracks. I don't know. I feel like it'll feel bad for me. Okay. You know, for sure I went for, usually my favorite joke is the newest joke that I've written that I feel, um, you know, most excited about because if you tell a joke for like a year or two, which you know, comedians do, they're not off the top of their head all the time.
Speaker 4:Um, you just kinda get sick of it. You know, you have to keep pretending it's the first time you've ever told it, but it's like definitely like the 500th time you've told it. [00:08:00] So. Yeah, definitely new jokes are my favorite. And, um, for a nother comedian, I also love Tig Notaro and uh, I love her. Uh, no molest ago. Uh, I did some shows in Mexico and like everywhere I go, as soon as I check into my hotel room, I immediately hang the do not disturb sign on the door or for the Spanish speaking, no molest day.
Speaker 3:[inaudible] [00:08:30] that was kind of a creepy feeling hanging that on my door before bed. [inaudible] nope. [inaudible] not tonight. [inaudible] couple doors down.
Speaker 4:Actually after I did that joke, when I [00:09:00] know Maha, this guy came up to me and he's like, just so you know, I'm a Spanish interpreter and molest day means to a noise or bother.
Speaker 3:[inaudible]
Speaker 4:how would you say that, like your queerness has like influenced your [00:09:30] comedy, if at all? Um, well I definitely, when I first started doing comedy, I was not out and I was just trying to do, um, comedy, not based on myself at all. So I'd talked about other things and this was like when I was like 16, 17. I like, yeah, I was like, let me start doing, stand up. I did not know what I was doing. I don't even remember what my first joke was. It was probably about Allen. I don't know. Uh, just a straight Ellen said, just talking about how much I [00:10:00] love Ellen. Yeah, I dunno. It probably was true. Um, and then, uh, it was in college and I was like trying to do more stand up and I was like, oh, I guess I'll come out now. And I think I came out in my standup before really came out in real life, which is kinda how I feel about standup.
Speaker 4:But a lot of times I share more talking on stage then, uh, like interpersonally. Like if we met on the street and we talked, I would probably tell you like very little about me. But if you see me on stage for like 10 minutes to learn, like way too [00:10:30] much about me. Why do you think that is? Cause I, when you, when you're on stage, you don't really know everyone in the audience. It's kind of just like an a morphous blob of like, oh, these are other people and I'll never meet them again. Go, you know, you might, but in, in your brain you're like, these are just random people. But if I like see you, I feel like I kind of know you and you're judging me when we're talking. So then I'm like, ah, I don't know. But if I'm just talking to a random blob of people, I'm like, I don't care what they think. So, uh, then I just [00:11:00] feel like I can share whatever and then I go home and I'll never see them again. I like the idea of just calling like a group of people that blob. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm just going to do that from now on, just like crowds. Those are blobs and just to just a big ole friendly blogs, like an Amoeba. I know,
Speaker 1:beginning of life. And if you're just tuning in, you're listening to method to the madness, a weekly public affairs show on k a l x Berkeley Celebrating Bay area innovators [00:11:30] today. Anna stir law is speaking with comedian Irene too.
Speaker 4:And so let me ask, how has being a person of color influenced your comedy and kind of follow up your desire to create like man heaters in hysteria? Um, yeah, it's definitely harder of course. Uh, as a person of color to do comedy, you know, people are so racist. [00:12:00] Uh, you know, people are like, oh, you know, it's not that right now. It's still comedy, so racist. A lot of people of color will do race jokes that sort of make fun of themselves in like a traditional stereotypical way, which I kind of hate. And I always try and do comedy as a person of color when I talk about, you know, the issues. Uh, but you know, try and put a spin on it or be like, you know, this is how I feel about it. Instead of just being like, you know, Asian people [00:12:30] can't drive or like something dumb like that.
Speaker 4:I don't even know where that stereotype came from. Um, yeah. Yeah. I know like Hari Kondabolu has like a rule that he doesn't, he'll like make jokes about his mom, but like, we'll never use an accent or I don't think I can also, number one, I'm bad at accents and also I will not do an accent. I can't even pretend to be like a dude, you know, like I can't do any kind of accent whatsoever or change my voice, so I'm not gonna totally butcher [00:13:00] it. So it's nice to have a layer of excuses of just like, yeah, yeah. If I did my mom, like her voice would just be my, also my same voice, but I'll just like turn the other direction, I guess. I don't know. I was also, I was wondering how has that changed at all, that kind of personal, being personal on the stage as you've kind of made a name for yourself and we, that was the question in the CME.
Speaker 4:Uh, I was just like, what are we talking about blobs? Um, yes. So I've started talking more about myself, um, [00:13:30] and like my point of view on life and things that I go through. And uh, you know, as I've done more and more comedy, sometimes people will come to the show to see me specifically, which I'll always like baffles me. I'm like, oh, I would never get to that. I never thought I'd get to that point where people would come and actually want to hear what I had to say and not just comedy in general. So weird. Um, yeah, super weird. Especially the ones like I work in Berkeley at East wind and sometimes people will stop by and they'll be like, hey, you're that comedian. Right. [00:14:00] And I was like, yeah, like I'm at, I'm at work and I didn't think that someone would recognize me while I'm sitting at the cash register and they're like, oh, I'm going to come to your show.
Speaker 4:And I was like, okay. So strange. Your famous in the bay area for no. Okay. Okay, good for, for, for a hysteria and man heaters, the shows that you cohost. Yes. Yes. Um, and can you walk me through [00:14:30] why you chose those particular names? Um, sure. So, uh, hysteria is a women in queer comedy open mic that I run every Tuesday at Martinis from six to eight ish. Uh, and we chose the, as me and Jessica Seeley, who's a great comedian, she moved to La. Um, but I still run the Mike now. Dom, Joanne, who's a friend of mine and really great comic. Um, and we chose the name hysteria because, uh, you know, people [00:15:00] historically have called women like hysterical. You're just like, oh, like, you know, she's like crazy, you know, so we took that name to kind of be like, yeah, we're just gonna, you know, reclaim it.
Speaker 4:So that's why we call it hysteria. I would knew it had something to do with like that down there, situation down there just, and I was like, that just sounds like a great name for an open mic. Let's do it. Yeah. And then, man, haters of course, uh, are, you know, it's very a direct name for the show. So me and [00:15:30] Ashley should run that show in Oakland every fourth Thursday at the white horse. And we named that because, uh, we're both queer. So, and you know, sometimes like, you know, lesbians or you know, Queer people, but we'll be called like, man haters. Um, because they're like, oh, you guys hate men, right? It's like, no, we don't hate men, but we hate like patriarchy and all that. And we decided you'd be like, yeah, you know what? Let's just call the show man haters and just be like all out.
Speaker 4:Cause like people will know right away, this show is like going to be very queer and, [00:16:00] uh, you know, anti, uh, not men, but you know, like not patriarchal. We wanted our comedy show to be like, Hey, let's showcase, um, w again, women and Queer Comedians, you know, people that are not generally seen as quote unquote comedians and people who get, you know, offered less stage time or opportunities. So we're just going to call it man haters. Uh, and it got very popular. I don't know, I thought we were going to get vilified for the name, but people kind of love it. It made little buttons that say, man hater. [00:16:30] Then, you know, they'll wear them outside in the street. So just it, just the name. Just put it out there. First off. Yeah. We're just like, it's gonna be called man haters. And I think we call it like, man haters, women, queers, comedy on the Facebook thing.
Speaker 4:So they're not just like, oh, what's man haters? Like a secret organization's like, no, no, no, we just, it's a comedy show. It's fine. Why did you make a space for Queer and feminist? Like women oriented comedy? Um, if you go to a lot of open mics or shows, you'll notice they're sometimes very aggressive [00:17:00] and a lot of, uh, terrible jokes that, you know, kind of hate on women or it's like, ah, my wife sucks. We're like, ah, like terrible rape jokes. You know? And it's not really welcoming and say for especially newer comedians like newer female comics to, you know, try to find their voice cause everyone's just trying to figure out what they want to talk about in comedy. And if you don't feel comfortable when you start out, you don't really want to do it anymore. So we were like, hey, let's do a show where, you know, you feel like you can actually participate in doing comedy.
Speaker 4:[00:17:30] And then after a while you can do the other shows that have like seven dudes in like one token female. But, uh, you know, it's, it's definitely like a, it's Kinda like training wheels. But you know, at this point our shows like super great that I think it's like arguably the best show in the bay. So I'm like, I feel good about it. You know. How do you just make it that space where you're performing maybe for the first time? Welcoming? I think La has a lot to do with, um, like the hosts. So like when we host the show, [00:18:00] we, you know, emphasize like it's a women and queer comedy show or like, you know, these are all the comics. Like we just try and make it seem like, oh we, you know, it's more like I put myself out there and like, Hey, I'm like a woman, a queer comic and then I'll tell like my jokes and, you know, we're very open.
Speaker 4:Uh, and I think our openness allows the comics. Uh, a lot of the audience will be like, Hey, you know, we're on board for this journey and they feel comfortable. I've never felt like it was super hard to make the space welcoming. Um, cause sometimes [00:18:30] if you go to an open mic, like the host themselves are kind of real aggressive and negative and like that that vibe is hard to overcome cause you know, the host sets the tone for the show. So I think if, you know, your hosts are like, hey, you know, these are, it's not really like rules, but these are kind of like, you know, these are Kinda the ground rules. Like, Hey, you know, be cool. Uh, these are all women comics. It's not quote unquote a safe space. Meaning we don't talk about, you know, certain topics, but it's like we are all female comics or queer [00:19:00] comics talking about these things.
Speaker 4:And you know, if you want to laugh, laugh, um, if it's not funny, well sometimes some couple of things we say will not be funny, but this is what we've got. Yeah. And what impact do you think this is had on the bay area comedy scene? Um, I think, uh, we've had definitely more women in queer comics starting comedy. I've seen a lot of newer comics I've never seen before. Uh, and our show has gotten very popular [00:19:30] that, you know, even the dude comics were like, hey, that's a really good show. And I'm like, yeah. Uh, so it's definitely just like, it feels like, uh, we ha we've marked like our place in the comedy scene. It's not just an outlier. It's like, hey, we're an integral part of the scene. And also we get a lot of audience members that wouldn't go to like, quote unquote regular comedy shows, you know, a lot of, um, you know, people from the queer community to come to our show exclusively.
Speaker 4:Or people would be like, hey, this is our first comedy show ever because we're afraid to [00:20:00] go to like a comedy club in case we're like picked on are people like, say, homophobic stuff. So that's pretty cool. Um, yeah. Huh. That's nice to hear. And are, what are some of the kind of up and coming comedians that you've seen sort of pass through, uh, man heaters or hysteria? Um, um, that like are my favorite comics, basically local comics. Okay. I love, uh, Corinna Dobbins. Jessica Seeley, who I did hysteria with. Um, [00:20:30] I like Shea Belle, uh, dom Jelan, you know, Ash Fisher, my other cohost, uh, in dams, one of my cohost, you know, this, this seems like nepotism now, but like there are like, you know, when you're working with people that are also funny, you're like, well, they're my friends and they're funny. Um, your friends for a reason.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly. Like we get each other right, right. Ah, who else is super funny? I don't know. That's just what came to mind immediately and I hope that someone doesn't listen to this. Like, hey, why don't you say my name? I just forgot. We can just add that on. If you think of anyone afterwards, [00:21:00] just recording and you can just record like 55 minutes at the, yeah, the whole entire like scrubbed this interview. It's just 50 names of committees, which you know is great. You know, when they do those lists on the Internet, it's like, oh, like 50 the best comics you should know or like blah, blah, blah. Every, all like, every comedian kinda hates those lists cause they look like leave off great comics, but they're good publicity. Yeah. You can't. So now, you know, if I did do two hours of just naming names, I would feel okay about it [00:21:30] and be helping everybody.
Speaker 4:I'm helping everyone out. Right. Uh, you were recently honored by Kqbd as a woman to watch. Yeah. I'm just going to stare at you for a little bit. Uh, yeah. Creepy. Uh, what's it like to see your face on a bus? Oh yes. That was insane. Yeah. They put up some ads on the Muni buses and some of the Muni trains in, in the bart stations. I don't know if I had one in a bard station. I did check all the stations, so they took them down. I know it's just cause I checked most of them except for, I think if mine [00:22:00] was at a Bart station would have been at Montgomery and I never take that station. And I was like, I'll get to it. And the, by the time I got to it, they were taken down and replaced with like ads for some tech thing and I was very upset by that.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's a nice problem to have. Yeah. Mean, I remember when I actually saw my fit cause people were telling me, I knew they put the ads of it. I didn't see it yet. And then people are like, oh my God, I saw your face in a bus. And I was like, oh, that's cool. And I didn't see it. And then I was just in like downtown, uh, in the financial [00:22:30] district. I was walking around and I was like, Oh hey, that's me on a bus. And then I ran to the bus cause I wanted to take a photo with it and it stopped like briefly at a red light. And I was like trying to take a selfie with it and then it just like drove away and I did get the selfie. That was one. That's nice. Yeah. That's very nice. That's crazy.
Speaker 4:Um, what advice would you give to a young female and or queer comic kind of coming up through this area? Um, just keep doing it. You might not be funny at first, but you know, you'll find your voice eventually. [00:23:00] So it's definitely more of a perseverance game, I think. I think the funniest comedians honestly, are not even Comedians, uh, because if you do comedy, you have to actually, you know, do all that work, doing comedy. And some people are so funny, they just don't want to go to an open mic or show every night. Um, so basically just keep doing it, keep writing. Uh, don't get discouraged and uh, you'd come to my open mic. We're very fun and friendly. If you want to, you know, try your first album might get something that people will sort of pay attention to and [00:23:30] you know, laugh at.
Speaker 4:Uh, yeah. And then, you know, just make friends with everyone. Um, what are some shows that are coming up? Um, I just did man haters yesterday, but our next show is going to be the third Thursday of November, since Thanksgiving is the fourth Thursday. And I don't think anyone's going to come on thanksgiving, so it'll be November 17th. And that one's real fun. Let's see, what else do I have? I also have a show in San Francisco every month called the mission position that's at the Alamo Drafthouse, which is that awesome movie theater. In [00:24:00] the mission. How did you get your start in comedy? Um, so I took a class when I was, I think I was 16 in, uh, Chicago at the second city. It's a standup class. And uh, I was like me and like I think it was one of like one or two other people, very small class.
Speaker 4:And I just go every week and you know, write jokes with the teacher and then, you know, do it for the other two people in the class. So it was kind of awkward for the, you know, your first four to stand up. Uh, and then, you know, we had a graduation show and that was [00:24:30] that. And I was still in high school so I did like sat up very periodically. So there was that cause for most open Mike's, they're at bars so you have to be 21 or older or at least the bars that card. Um, so I didn't really do a ton of open mikes unless they were like at a cafe. Um, and I did a lot of Improv instead cause that's a very like high school, college thing. It's like, I know group comedy, very fun. You can do it with your friends.
Speaker 4:So did a lot of Improv in high school. Uh, and then, uh, I went to, I actually went to Northwestern [00:25:00] before I transferred to Berkeley, so I, there was a new stand up group on campus. So I joined that cause my friend was in it. And, uh, I really liked that cause you know, uh, my friend was in it and the other people were funny and I was like, oh, maybe I can just start doing standup again. So like started writing, uh, they would have a show every couple months. So I do that showcase and it was just, you know, like a snowball effect or of like, oh, more and more cavity and my friends are doing it and like it. Uh, and then I took a class at when I was a sophomore, [00:25:30] I think at, uh, in college, uh, with Cameron Esposito, she did a female standup class in Chicago that I took.
Speaker 4:And I was like, oh, this is great, you know, uh, another awesome, you know, a queer female comic. And then I was like, oh yeah, I can do comedy too. So I just like, you know, did more comedy after that. And then, uh, I did a lot of comedy in college. I don't know why I finished doing college cause at that point I was like I'm done with school. I just want to do stand up. [00:26:00] Uh, and the, yeah. And then I graduated and now I'm just doing comedy and like I have a day job but like mostly comedy. And so where do you see yourself in five years? Um, ideally I would have my own Sitcom. That is what I want, but I will also take a small role in a movie if someone wants to offer me that, I will, sure. I'll host a talk show that I don't think I would be really good at that cause I'm not as uh, extroverted [00:26:30] as I think you would need to be to be a talk show.
Speaker 4:But you know, who knows, they have like writers and stuff. I could, you know, I could wing that. I think in the city, I'm like snarky, so it's not if they're okay with like a snarky talk show host who like roast people sometimes that I could do that. Just low key, just like picks people in the audience and just like sometimes that like kind of mean. So I'm like, if you're okay with that at a, you know, maybe it's not on like network television, maybe it's on like some, some other cable channel on, on. Yeah. Number 699 right. You're right. Exactly right. [00:27:00] But I would love to have like a Sitcom on like ABC, NBC, something like that. That'd be cool. And would I feel like with a Sitcom would like then Ellen degenerate generous, would she be like, wow, okay. So if I had a sitcom it would be, I would love it to be like Ellen Sitcom in the 90s, which was great.
Speaker 4:It was like based off of her sort of, you know, her character, but like, you know, uh, they took some liberties but it's like mace, but mostly based on me or like Roseanne. That was a great sitcom. And I also like the Carmichael show. It's a great, uh, like families who come, they talk [00:27:30] about the issues. So, you know, something where it's like based off of me. So I don't have to really be a great actor cause I don't think I'm an amazing actor. But I could be funny if it's based off of me. People be like, that's fine, you know, like as, and sorry. It's like, okay. No, it's kind of like him. Yeah. Persona. Yeah. It's just like him, but you know, 10 times heightened, you know? Yeah. What's your life philosophy? Whoa, that's a big question. What is my life philosophy? Uh, I think it's just to [00:28:00] be a better person every day that you, you know, uh, you know, make every day better than the day before.
Speaker 4:Um, whether that be, you know, write a better joke than the joke that I did yesterday or, you know, try and go to the gym one more time. I haven't done this, like, this is my philosophy. I will will out say I've actually followed through on it, but, you know, try and be a better person in the day before. And, uh, you know, don't, don't be racist. And, uh, I think, you know, give opportunities [00:28:30] to people who haven't had them, like women or people of color, especially in comedy or like other things. Uh, give them opportunities that you, you know, even if you don't think they're ready right now, but if you think they will be ready soon, I would just give them the chance because a lot of times, uh, you won't get that opportunity. And I think you only get better if you get to fail.
Speaker 4:So, you know, give people a shot. Even if you're like, hey, they got potential, just give them a shot. No one's gonna if you give someone [00:29:00] a spot on a show and they're like, almost like, it's fine, you know, and your show's going to be fine. No one gets hurt. Yeah, exactly. Just let people get more stage time. All right. And I think that's it in life. And I think that's interesting because it seems like comedy can kind of be a cutthroat world, just yes. And so it's interesting that you, you have more of that community trying to yeah, yeah, yeah. Approach. You know, I mean, if everyone does, it's Kinda like socialism. I don't know. But like not really cause there's no money involved, but you know, if you help everyone up, [00:29:30] eventually you'll all succeed. Supposedly. I live in a coat, man. That speaks to me. Hey, thank you. I mean to you for coming on our show. Thank you so much for having me. Have a great time.
Speaker 1:You've been listening to method to the madness, a weekly public affairs show on k a l x Berkeley Celebrating Bay area innovators. You can find all of our podcasts on iTunes university. Tune in again next Friday at noon.
Speaker 2:[00:30:00] [inaudible] okay.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
