This episode is a chat with Bas Schnater. Until recently Bas worked for AZ Alkmaar in his native Netherlands, and is well regarded in the field. He's outspoken about the need to place the fan at the centre of a club.
I think what Bas does is often about trying to persuade CEOs and leaders using their own language - finance, and other finite resources - that Fan Engagement also yields a monetary return, as well as just being the right way to run a club.
We chatted about the place for data, tech-ethnographer Tricia Wang (she of the 'Thick Data' concept), and why it's important to learn from other industries about how they treat people.
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