Chase Thomas is joined by The Atlantic's Spencer Kornhaber to talk about his piece on Ellen DeGeneres, where the talk show host goes from here, the celebrity reaction around her, why some still don't get it, that awkward Dakota Johnson interview and so much more.
Read Spencer's piece here: "Ellen’s Celebrity Defenders Aren’t Helping Her"
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
