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Welcome to the pod the delightful Patrick Spicer! We’ve cracked open a can alcohol-free Brooklyn Lager whilst discussing Katy Perry and her recent trip to actual space? (Well sub-orbital space) And after we confirmed that PAtrick was appearing on this podcast and not as he called it “Sam Lake’s I like Rosé podcast” we got chatting about self-help! Who needs it? How does it work? A lovely episode that’s silly AND kinda deep.

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