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When I first met Dana Stephenson nearly a decade ago, we were both deep in the trenches of trying to solve a problem that still challenges educators and employers today: how do we prepare students for a future that’s anything but predictable? 

In this episode, I sit down with Dana—co-founder of Riipen, a platform that connects students, educators, and employers through real-world project-based learning—to talk about the power of work-integrated learning, the importance of durable human skills, and how we can better equip learners to thrive in a world shaped by rapid change and AI. 

Dana’s journey is anything but linear, and that’s exactly what makes it so relatable. From construction sites and telemarketing calls to founding a company that’s reshaping education-to-employment pathways, his story is a testament to the value of adaptability, empathy, and learning by doing. We also reflect on our shared belief in the transformative potential of experiential learning—something that brought us together years ago and continues to drive our work today. 

Whether you're a student wondering how to talk about your project experience in a job interview, an educator looking to bring real-world relevance into your classroom, or an employer trying to hire for potential rather than pedigree, this conversation is packed with insights and inspiration. 

Join us as we explore how to embrace ambiguity, build resilience, and create more inclusive, impactful learning experiences for all. 

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