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In this episode, I chat with Ruth De Vere, Global Head of Behavioural Insights at World Animal Protection. Ruth leads a team of global researchers looking at how to get supporters to take better, more impactful actions to improve the lives of animals.

In this chat we discuss:
 
- How her background as a teacher has shaped her approach
- The challenges of measuring the impact of research work
- Her work studying river gorillas in Cameroon
- How she is working to embed behavioural psychology into World Animal Protection
- Getting campaigners to consider a customer-first mindset, particularly around fundraising

Find out more about Ruth and World Animal Protection here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ruthdevere/