Today we welcome back the always fiery Jelena Macura! For those who listened to last weeks episode with Sam you will hear us discuss exactly what both me and him saw in Jelena when we were all in university together and how sure we were that she would be absolutely unstoppable once unleashed upon the world. Luckily for us she has chosen to conquer the EU first and every time I look on social media i see some new huge step forward Jelena has taken! I had hoped to get into more of what makes Jelena tick, but we ended up having a fascinating conversation on the latest and greatest of sustainable finance in the EU and exactly how Jelena is ushering in such a new concept into a traditionally slow moving area. We also discuss our vastly different university experiences and Jelena was able to show me a more positive side of the university experience that matched more of the vision I had in my head before first hand experience disillusioned me of that prospect. I absolutely love talking to Jelena about anything and everything, she is so smart and always forces you to come with your best arguments or you risk being steam rolled and that type of conversation is exactly what moves us forward in my opinion. My suggestion to everyone is to find that Jelena in your own life and if you cant (they are pretty rare) than hopefully everyone can listen in and borrow my Jelena until you can find your own!