In this episode, I talk to psychotherapist and Relationship School faculty member, Ellen Boeder, about the complex decisions women face while navigating motherhood. We talk about how the needs of both Self and others can sometimes feel at odds and how to explore new ways of being and structuring life so that personal fulfillment and alignment is more possible. We touch on women’s mid-life development and the opportunities for growth that can emerge and reveal themselves through dreams and other non-linear access points. Ellen shares about the importance of deep listening and empathy as two foundational tools for creating change and more healthy, joyful and fair relationships and families.