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What can we learn from pain? Many times the pain we endure comes from loss. This week, I sit down with my friend Joe Kaufman again to discuss how loss and pain can actually help us gain clarity. If we allow it, pain can help us live fuller lives because we come to terms with the reality that we have to (and we GET to) choose who we want to be and what we want to do with our time…while we still have it! Joe is a fount of wisdom and empathy, and this was such an encouraging conversation. Jump in!

Are you looking to gain clarity, confidence, and courage? Check out my book, "The Life You're Made For" for sale on my website.

Step into The Life You're Made For, I'm cheering you on!
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