After we wrapped our last episode, Joe Kaufman and I kept talking. It turned out to be so good that I started recording again! So here is a bonus episode where Joe and I talk about empathy, grace, leadership, writing books, and... dreaming up a collaboration. We get real and raw about these things, so buckle up!
Step into The Life You're Made For, I'm cheering you on!
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