We end our couple interview's with Karin and Stephen this week! Karin and Stephen just got back from a long anticipated family vacation, so this episode sounds a little different than others because it was recorded via Zoom. Through their trial of recurrent miscarriages Stephen and Karin have realized the importance of communication with one another but also with those closest to them, Stephen opens up about how he has learned to better communicate what is going on in their lives to his family so they can be allowed to be there in both the high and the low moments. They connect over their shared faith in eternal families that helps them find purpose in their losses and work towards the day that they will be reunited with all of their babies. Tune in to hear Karin and Stephen disclose what has been the hardest, funniest, and most helpful in their experiences with grief and loss. They remind us to not let life pass us by, to focus on the things we "can" do and understand that each emotion and situation we endure is not forever. Thank you Karin & Stephen for wrapping up this last couple's interview for our awesome Cautious Optimism Community!