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David Odyssey from  Nylon and the Luminaries podcast stops by to discuss the gay freedom narrative, his 2018 interview with Justin Vivian Bond, Drag Race's blindspots, Paglia's genius and faults, objectivity, identity and cruising, consent, Paris Hilton as America's greatest satirist, The Simple Life, Fran Lebowitz, Wendy Williams, Larry Kramer, money and creativity, Grace Jones, the contradiction of gay celebrity, Quentin Crisp, Dan Levy, Sandra Bernhard, and point of view and freedom.