Cathy Bowen is a long time educator and behavior specialist. She and Susan had a conversation about the concept of "worry". This made Susan suggest that Cathy be a guest on the podcast to examine this topic. Susan, Cissy, and Cathy have a great time talking about worry. They share ideas about why we do it, what the functions may be, and what we can do about it. They share many of the concepts from Applied Behavior Analysis that contribute to maintaining the behavior of worry, but also talk about it in a cognitive behavioral way as well as poking fun a bit at their own Irish Catholic upbringing. This fits perfectly as the episode airs on St. Patrick's Day. There is a question at the end.