In this episode, Jim and Joel return after a break to explain the deeper work happening behind the scenes at The Art of Growth. They revisit the foundations of the Enneagram, clarifying what they mean by “type” through three key components: core motivation, schema, and expression.
They also introduce a major shift in their current work: moving beyond the idea of nine types with separate instinctual subtypes and toward a more integrated model of 54 types, where each Enneagram type is inseparable from its instinctual stack. Along the way, they discuss why some older Enneagram descriptions no longer hold up, how thousands of typing interviews have shaped their thinking, and why the model itself should keep growing through observation, self-reporting, and real human experience.
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