What happens when two people with extensive recovery journeys sit down to talk about what they're still struggling with? Magic, vulnerability, and profound wisdom emerge.
Dr. Samantha Harte welcomes Dave Meltzer – successful entrepreneur, sought-after keynote speaker, author, and as she describes him, "an amazing human" – for a raw conversation that quickly moves beyond the expected topics into deeply personal territory. Despite 16 years of sobriety and all the external markers of success, both open up about their ongoing internal work with disarming honesty.
The discussion moves seamlessly between profound topics: the dangers of unhealthy codependency in recovery, the armor we build around our hearts even in loving relationships, and the poisonous nature of guilt and shame. Hart vulnerably shares her current work on disentangling from unhealthy patterns stemming from "mother hunger" while navigating a 22-year marriage rich with both love and betrayal. Meltzer offers his perspective on responding to our natural protective reactions rather than being controlled by them.
Perhaps most moving is Harte's revelation about her evolving grief journey after losing her sister to a drug overdose three years ago. She describes how she's finally reaching a place where she can look for spiritual connection with her sister – something unimaginable to her even six months earlier. This leads to a fascinating exploration of spirituality, with Meltzer sharing his concept of "best option faith" and Harte contemplating the relationship between intuition, highest self, and God.
Whether you're in recovery or simply interested in personal growth, this conversation demonstrates that healing is never "done" – it's a continuous unfolding that reveals new layers of awareness, connection, and meaning throughout our lives. Join these two authentic souls as they model what it means to keep showing up for your own growth while helping others with theirs.
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