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Do you find it hard to say no? Are you compelled to say yes to every request, even when you know you can’t come through, or that it will take you even deeper underwater than you already are? Ila and Charles get real about the stories we tell ourselves about what saying no means, and how to do it gracefully and in a way that maintains, or even builds, trust. 

We want to thank the team that continues to support us in producing, editing and sharing our work. Jonah Smith for the heartfelt intro music you hear at the beginning of each podcast. We LOVE it. Hillary Rideout for writing descriptions, designing covers and helping us share our work on social media. Chad Penner for his superpower editing work to take our recordings from bumpy and glitchy to smooth and easy to listen to episodes for you to enjoy. From our hearts, we are so thankful for this team and the support they provide us.