The experience of being a patient is inextricably linked to the experience of being a doctor. Bess Siegal is one of my longest term friends (she's known me over half of my life!), and she was diagnosed with (presumed) lung cancer in 2020. We talk about the importance of tissue/pathologic diagnosis, the doctor-patient relationship, what we do with cell phone numbers (!), and how asking for help makes relationships stronger. Bess Siegal is a talented, intelligent, and savvy small business owner who has developed large-scale web applications, educational apps, and currently builds websites for authors and small businesses. She attended Princeton University, is married with three children, and founded siegalworks.com. Her recent projects include creating with her youngest an NFT collection, which when launched, will benefit causes that support play for children and resources for families and patients impacted by lung cancer. She, herself, is a stage 4 lung cancer survivor and shares her story to help others. Links to articles: Healthy Women and Lungevity.