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Rob & Jason talk with a local counselor, Kendra Diess, about ways in which church leaders try to escape the pain and difficulty of ministry in some unhealthy ways. They also discuss ways to avoid falling into some of these traps of addiction and escapism. 

If you are struggling with any of this and need someone to talk to, please reach out to Rob or Jason today! We are not counselors, but we will listen and try to connect you with resources that will help you.

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