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Jason tells Rob about what he learned from Glenn Packiam at a workshop recently.  You can learn more about Glenn here and his recent book "The Resilient Pastor." Jason outlines 3 paradigms of "doing church" - Encounter, Mission, & Formation. Each of these offer a different focus and perspective on what the leaders of the congregation are hoping to accomplish on Sunday mornings. Rob and Jason discuss what this looks like when you try to evaluate the church you lead. 

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