Gene and Scott talk to historian Deborah Liles, the W.K. Gordon Chair of Texas History at Tarleton State University, about her stained glass business and transitioning to a PhD in History. She discusses her research on slavery on 19th century West Texas ranches. She also discusses her influences at the University of North Texas, Randolph B. "Mike" Campbell and Richard B. McCaslin. We also talk about public perceptions about history.
