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Leslie and Stephen Shaw come on the podcast to discuss their book "Who They Are," available on Amazon and other bookstores. Stephen shares his experience in dealing with these entities, be it extraterrestrials or interdimensional. We will discuss cattle mutilations and what this possibly means. Later we touch on ancient history in an attempt to connect dots. Lastly, Leslie and Stephen share strange paranormal events happening in this very desert...not surprising. Great episode and a delightful couple.

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