In today's episode, Steve and Al talk with Gene Ludwig, former Comptroller of the Currency and a banking regulation, risk management, and fiscal policy expert. Gene shares some powerful insights into modernizing the banking industry. They discuss the importance of smart regulation that helps to balance banking activities and technological advancements, the need for regulators to have the tools to manage tail risks quickly and avoid being caught off guard, and the need to have a mechanism that gives regulators and the public time to act in a crisis.