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This episode features Olivia & Shanna unhinged. Well, sort of. They two talk about some unserious things like GOLF (well, non-serious for us) & pretty serious things like Shanna's decision to drop out of Chicago--& overall how to decide when to do a race, and when to NOT...and all the factors that go into that decision. The conversation also touches on how we can take running too seriously & course corrections for that.

This pod is the closest thing to going on one of their early morning runs! We hope you find it entertaining and helpful!

Whitney Heins is a mom of 2 kids, a VDOT-certified running coach for moms who run, founder of the resource, themotherrunners.com, and a former TV journalist. She's been a runner most of her life but started going after big goals after becoming a mom. Coming out of a long injury cycle, she ran a 2:54 marathon and 1:20 half marathon in her 40s. Learn more about Whitney & The Mother Runners: