Kathryn Sullivan is a world traveler, writer, podcast host and founder of Vivien Travel. She joins Billy via Zoom from the U.K. to talk about Billy's irrational phobia of Turks, Kathryn's ditching the corporate life in order to travel and her dream of bringing Vivien to life in the form of a brick and mortar hotel. Hers is a story of creativity vs. practicality and the lessons she has learned in the meanwhile.