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Despite earning a Ph.D., becoming a psychologist, pastor, and businessman none of these accomplishments has shielded Dr. Sims from the realities of being a black male in the United States of America even among people of faith. In part 1 we hear his story from being raised in Detroit, MI to being a college football player, becoming a pastor of a multicultural church in Federal Way. WA, and the beginnings of his work in applying the principles of courageous conversations on faith and race.
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