How do Russia's and China's militaries align and differ in today’s world? In this episode of Facing Coming Storms, Mark Cozad, a RAND Corporation senior defence researcher and former US Air Force intelligence officer joins Peter Apps, to explore how NATO’s 1999 Kosovo campaign pushed both nations toward “non-contact warfare,” mixing precision strikes with political strategy to counter the West. Russia leans on mass mobilisation, as seen in Ukraine, while China bets on cutting-edge tech and institutional strength.

We dive into the human and strategic factors - Russia’s purges and cultural shifts versus China’s lack of combat experience since 1979 - plus nuclear posturing, alliances, and flashpoints like Taiwan or Korea.

Key moments

1:45 - Non-Contact Warfare Explained

6:54 - Military Evolution Post-1999

9:49 - Modern PLA vs. Russian Military

16:09 - Chinese Perspectives on Taiwan Conflict

30:05 - Internal Military Cultures

33:24 - Planning and Execution Challenges

42:12 - Future Directions for the PLA

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