In Episode 12 I am joined for a conversation on creativity, traveling intuitively, and the process of learning to lead from the body with Pat Moran. Pat is an Australian photographer, musician, and now documentarian. His personal journey has led him to travel to lesser visited parts of the world to interview artisans who have used creativity to further pursue their relationship to presence and purpose, which mirrors his own experience.
Make:Sense is now live on YouTube, with weekly releases. You can view it here: https://www.youtube.com/@fullfieldworld
You can also shadow Pat's documentary and upcoming adventures on Instagram @fullfieldworld @pmoranphotographer
This episode touches upon themes related to suicide, as disclosed in one of the documentary series episodes. Listener discretion is advised. For U.S. based audiences seeking support please contact 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: Call or text 988 (Available 24/7, free, and confidential).
The Forbes Article on traveling and the nervous system discussed in the episode can be found here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/judykoutsky/2026/01/12/experts-reveal-how-travel-makes-you-more-resilient/
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Song #96028 / Here We Go feat. We Lepers - Instrumental
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